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When Government Heath Care Almost Killed Me.......(part one)

Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM EDT
health, health-care, medical, malpractice, usaf-vet
By USAF Vet-923294
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At the urging of several friends, the health care debates and in a hope that this might help someone, I am finally telling the story of what I went through. It is a true story, very long and covers many issues that maybe pertinent to the current health care debates. I will not say it is or isn't. I have seen government run health care and I have seen private run health care, both have problems and some advantages. I will let you decide.

Please forgive me for its length. It covers many, many years and has many details that are pertinent to the story.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

As a child growing up, I was taught that Doctor's were great men that I should look up to.

It was reinforced at a young age (about 4) when I had an accident and tore my tear duct. The Doctor managed to save my eye sight and (from what I understand) created the first surgery to repair and place the tear duct back.

Eventually, this pedestal that Doctors had been placed on was ripped away in the worse way.

At the age of 19, I was still my Father dependent and going to military Doctors. So, when my appendix became inflamed, I had emergency surgery to have it removed. There were some problems and I became infected and spent about a week in the hospital on antibiotics.

A few years after this, I joined the USAF and after training ended up at an ATC (Air Training Command) base. As an Airmen, I was constantly mistaken as a student. Students that were new to the Air Force did not get the same privileges as permanent party.

I was in good shape. I ran each day and did other exercises, I was on the squadron softball team (I was actually a player/coach), I was on a bowling league, played flag football and did many other things with the people in our barracks. I felt as if I had made several friends and we were never lacking for things to do. At the very least, we would go to the Airmen's club, hang out, play pool or just dance and party.

The day before my nightmare started, was like most Sundays. I had softball practice followed by a bunch of us going to the club for the two for one steak night. After dinner we met in the club and had several beers dancing and pool games.

When I woke up that day, I had a mild headache and my stomache was just this side of praying to the great white porcelain god. That was unusual, because I had only had about four beers and although I had attained a buzz, I had not over indulged to a point of making myself sick.

I got ready for work and head out. After a few hours of working, they sent our office home due to some work that needed to be done by the civil engineers and I went back to the barracks. By the time I arrived, my nausea had grown exponentially and eventually led to me losing it. Tis was followed by an extreme urgency of my bowels.

As I sat on the toilet, I felt as if I was having diarrhea, but when I got up, all I saw was bright red blood. This was followed by needing to throw up again and that too was full of blood.

I immediately got up and went to the hospital. I did not own a car at the time and I had to ride the base bus. Each bump, turn, and stop hurt like hell. It was as if someone was stabbing me in the gut. Yet, I had always had a high threshold for pain and was able to make it without screaming out - I was biting my tongue though.

When I arrived at sick call, I was the only person there. It was afternoon and most individuals going to sick call had already been there.

For those who have been through these cattle calls, you know that it is an assembly line. They check your blood pressure, temperature and fill out your "chief complaint." This is followed by a long wait (even if you are the only one there) and then you get to see the doctor.

This meeting was extremely frustrating and being a new Airman, I had little clue as to how to deal with officers, much less doctors. In this case, the doctors were officer and made it even more difficult. Remember, I believed doctors were great men. To top this off, my basic training said you followed orders and when you had only nine months in the military you had little experience as to how to deal with officers.

To put it bluntly, the doctor accused me of wanting to get out of training. He did not listen to my heart, he did not listen to my gut, he did not touch me at all. There were no tests, there were no x-rays and played down what I had told him about the blood in my stools and vomit.

Eventually, he told me I would not know what blood in my stool would look like and called it a virus. He told me he was going to "give me the day off that I wanted" and sent me back to the barracks. I rode the bus back and silently cried at the pain I was having.

I spent the rest of that day and that night lying running back and fourth to the restroom. I found myself sobbing at the pain and praying that it would end.

The next day, I got up and went back to sick call. The idea of the bus and how painful it had been, brought me to the decision to walk to the hospital. It was only about six blocks away, so I cradle my gut and carefully walked. At several points along the way, I stopped and sat down and let the pain subside. No where along the way could I stand straight. Still, the six blocks took me over an hour to traverse.

Little did I know that my forced walk would convince the doctor that I was not that bad off.

The Tuesday morning cattle call was the same as the prior day. Just more people waiting then myself. Again the Doctor did not do any test, x-rays, or even listen to my heart. Again, the doctor did not even touch me. Even though it was a different doctor.

I told him about the blood and he told me that I would not know what blood in the stools looked like. I pushed the issue and asked why my stools were bright red. He immediately called me "Airman" in a show of rank and authority and explained that if I had blood in my stools, it would be black and tar like.

I told him I was vomiting and could not hold anything down. He told me I needed Pepto Bismol and that I was just dehydrated. Then he told me that it was 104 degrees in the shade and that I should have been drinking more water. He asked me how I had gotten there and I told him how. He just laughed.

With that, he sent me back to the barracks. I tried riding the bus again, but it was painful that I felt as if I would pass out more then once. I finally gt off and practically crawled the two blocks back to my barracks. I felt the tears coming down my face and took deep breaths. I finally, figured that I was making a bigger deal of it then it must have been. If I was really that bad off. The Doctor would have put me in the hospital. Wouldn't he?

My room mate brought me some Pepto, but I could not keep it down. I tried to drink some water and could no keep it down either. Through the day and into the night, I found myself passing out.

For Wednesday Sick Call, I talk a friend into taking me to the hospital. It was more of the same. The ride was painful, but not as bad as the bus had been. The sick call was another doctor that did not listen to what I said. He excused the blood in my stool as the Pepto.

The difference was that this time the doctor ran a urine test and found my white count was extremely high. He called it Mono and tried to send me home again. The problem was that it was against the regulations, because I had come to the hospital three days in a row. I soon found myself in the hospital.

I thought I would finally get some relief. I had no idea that relief was not in sight. I had no idea that my intestines were spliting wide open and that I was bleeding internally.

PART TWO:

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USAF Vet-923294

Please forgive me for where I have stopped. This story is extremely difficult to write and relive.

I am only writing it, in hopes that it might help someone. I am not looking for sympathy, although I could take some understanding. Thank you.

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

If I do not reply immediately to your post, please forgive me. This is extremely hard to write about. It is also hard to talk about. I find that I have to keep taking breaks as I break down, get angry and recall what happened. Most of it, I have worked hard to push it out of sight. It just brings back some very painful memories, so please bare with me. Thanks.

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:52 AM EDT
Victoriawood

No worries. We'll just talk amongst ourselves and know we love you.

VDub

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:08 PM EDT
jscusmc69

DAMM USAF and I thought some of the NAVY doctors were fools!! Now I'll go to #2!

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:46 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

You will love this one: At one point I was sent to Tripler in Hawaii (I was stationed in Japan) and an ARMY Doctor wrote a report that said I was unfit for SUBMARINE DUTY! LOL

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:12 PM EDT
eriq samson

I read this and agree wholeheartedly. The only question I have is - what makes you think private hospitals are any better? Where do you think these quacks go after their tour of duty?

Worse, a private hospital doctor thinks nothing of prescribing the most expensive drugs available thinking that of you are there, you can afford it; they do not use generics and in many cases will prescribe the most expensive (for example) antibiotic available

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:43 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I am not claimming that one is better then the other. Both have their problems and both have advantages. As I said above:

It is a true story, very long and covers many issues that maybe pertinent to the current health care debates. I will not say it is or isn't. I have seen government run health care and I have seen private run health care, both have problems and some advantages. I will let you decide.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT
cookin mama

Well our Dr. only likes to prescribe generics if he can. he knows how expensive meds are.Maybe they should take ads off TV, then they might be more affordable.

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:54 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Drug companies make profits that are in the billions. They could easily cut their prices and still make profit, but they don't.

Still, they are not the only ones that do that. Medical supply companies do the same thing.

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
cookin mama

True they are just as bad, when I broke my foot the boot cost 300.00 dollars ins. did pay 80% at the time.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hi Everybody,

Just a quick note to let y'all know that this article (series) has been Nominated for a "Vinny" in the Article of the Year category.

http://egoode.newsvine.com/_news/2009/12/18/3649756-2009-vinny-nominations-article-of-the-year

Please visit the link and vote for the nomination,

Have a good'un,

Aloha

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:46 AM EST
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you Rob. I am both humbled and honored.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:59 AM EST
robertlyn-schultz

My pleasure Ben!

This series has stuck in the back of the brain-box but good. Maybe with the nomination I have exercised it. :^)

Happy Yule & Merry Christmas Brother,

Aloha

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:05 AM EST
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cookin mama

Oh my god! The insensitivity of the Drs. Wow.

♥♥♥♥♥♥ ((((((((HUGS))))))) you need these after writing that my friend.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:01 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

It is hard to write about. As I write it, I find myself getting angry at how I was done and remembering the substandard care that I recieved. I have gone over these parts many times in my mind and still have trouble reconsilling it.

Yet, this was only the beginning. It got much worse, before it got better.

Thank you Cookin Mama. I appreciate the support as I tell this story.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:34 PM EDT
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frostyone

In my experience with military doctors I'd say I'm not surprised by your treatment. There are some good ones but they are few and far between. I saw the "pulling rank" thing on my wife when she broke her wrist. I almost got arrested that night. I'm glad to see that you pulled thru and I can't wait to read the next part to find out when you finally got to a competant doc. God bless.

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:04 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I can completely understand. As I got older, I became much more vocal towards the doctors I saw. Still, it got worse, before it got better. Then it got worse again.

Thanks for commenting Frostyone. I will keep writing it and let everyone see what happened.

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:39 PM EDT
frostyone

Thanks USAF Vet, I look forward to reading it. It just reminds me that everytime I find a good doc they're getting out because of the way things are set up.

  • 6 votes
#3.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:26 AM EDT
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chelli

Oh my God! Your story so far has me crying. It is unexcusable to let anyone suffer through this (even though I don't know exactly what it is yet), let alone a soldier. I remember my dad talking about the horrors of having wisdom teeth extracted, but this is beyond anything I've ever heard of. Doctors have a mentality of trying to be in control and the "all" knowledgable and important ones. It is unexcusable behavior for a "healer" whether he/she is in the military or not. As far as I am concerned, anyone that has volunteered for national service should recieve prompt, free, and unquestioned health care--and most importantly--QUALITY.

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:46 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I actually hate this story and wish that it had of never happened. Yet, I am hoping that my experience can help someone, if through nothing else then to show them to speak up.

Thanks Chelli. The worse part of this story has not happened yet. The story goes on through several incedents and problems that I face to this day because of how I was treated.

  • 6 votes
#4.1 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:44 PM EDT
chelli

Don't thank me, it is I that Thanks YOU! My only hope is that you are able to make peace with what has happened to you. F those asshats that took/take advantage of people that are good and willing to keep our country safe. It is so WRONG that people take advantage of people that love and work for the good of our nation. I, for one, have the utmost respect for you and those like you.

  • 5 votes
#4.2 - Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:10 PM EDT
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robertlyn-schultz

Hey Brother,

F'en-A, the Airforce "Doctors" remind me of the P.A.s (Physicians Assistant, do they have those glorified EMTs in the Airforce?), Doctors, and Dentists in the Army... acting like they are the Divisions (or in your case Air Wing) "Goldbrick Police".

I still generally get dismissive attitude when I explain my trouble to my VA Doc. Not good for a guy with a diagnosed "Problem with Authority", and does not like a exam room - as I dislike a jail cell (well almost).

I have not darkened the VA's door in many months, and do not foresee a return anytime soon. Anyone who thinks Gov. run anything is a good thing, just look at the Freaking VA!

I hope all is well for you and yours,

Aloha

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:18 AM EDT
Perrie

Hey Robert,

I thought you were gone on your big adventure. Good to see you around!

  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:08 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Perrie,

Well I did get up to Nor. Cal. on a prospecting/rafting trip, but it was only for a week. The big move is still in a state of flux (I really wanted to be gone already, but a lack of funds is the stumbling block still).

If you get a chance check out my Women in Combat article, I would love to hear your take on the issue. :^)

All my best,

Aloha

  • 6 votes
#5.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:13 AM EDT
frostyone

Robertlyn, Yeah they still have PA's in the airforce. Also thank you for pointing out about the VA. That system is almost completely broken.

  • 6 votes
#5.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:28 AM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Frostyone,

In Germany, the PAs ran our sick call clinic, no Drs in sight... talk about a bunch of power-tripping pencil-necks! A typical visit consisted of Pulse, temp, weigh in, then a couple of questions, then a scrip for motrin - for me I remember the 800mg horse pills... then a kick in the ass out-the-door and back to duty. I'm sure the idea of a PA is good on paper... but the reality leaves one wanting.

Have a good'un,

Aloha

  • 5 votes
#5.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:01 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I think I had more problems with doctors then PA's. By the time I was a NCO, I had figured out how to deal with them. I also learned how t make things miserable for them - that was a lesson that took a while.

I had one run in at the VA. That ended with an apology from the Doctor, the head o the clinic and I guess a reputation that I was problem. Not in a way that was bad for me, but in that I would call the state medical board, congressman or anyone I could figure out to get them to do the right thing.

It was hard lesson I learned in the USAF.

  • 6 votes
#5.5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
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Victoriawood

Oh my God, Ben.

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:45 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Yeah.........I still say that myself. Thanks VW.

  • 5 votes
#6.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT
DaVoH

You're a tougher man than me, and a better one too.

  • 5 votes
#6.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Wouldn't say that. I just what I had to and lived through it.

  • 3 votes
#6.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
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Perrie

Ben,

You poor guy. I don't know what I am more of now..feeling for you and your pain, or wanting to smack around doctors again. I long ago became disillusioned by drs, and very proactive in my health. Your story has brought up so much anger in me you have no idea. As I read your story, I wondered how you were making it day by day, as you grew sicker and sicker getting peritonitis. I don't understand how a person with a bio degree could see what the drs there didn't ask, like about your appendix. I am trying to remain calm as I read your words, and know how much you suffered, because drs didn't take a proper history. I know that you made it, but I wonder how and I wait with anticipation for the next part.

My famous cousin Allen's son is being shipped off in the next couple of weeks to Afganastan, and I have to say, that this story has not made me feel better about him going, only worse. it's not one that I will be sharing with my cousin who is worried out of his mind already.

I am so sorry Ben. What a nightmare.

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:06 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Your post chocks me up. Sorry, just hard to respond.

The part about the appendix played more of a roll then I knew at the time. I will write about that later. For now, I will say that it caused the problems or at least seems to have caused them.

  • 6 votes
#7.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:02 AM EDT
Perrie

Gee Ben, I'm sorry if I brought up any more bad feelings. I know how hard it has been for you to put this out there.

My response just came from the heart, and the fingers did they typing. I had my own flood of emotions just reading about it.

  • 4 votes
#7.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Oh no, no. I did not mean it that way. I was just touched at how much empathy you showed by relating it to your relative and recognizing the actually problem. Your story helped me to do this. Thank you.

  • 4 votes
#7.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT
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Stone5150

I am not surprised at the callous treatment either, military doctors suck worse than civilian ones, mainly because they are automatically made officers furthering their already obvious God complex.

I have had bad experiences with military docs but nothing even remotely close to that bad. Obviously you survived but it must have been hell to go through. My condolences.

  • 6 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:23 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you. The worst thing was, that this incident was not the last.

  • 5 votes
#8.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
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Citizen Kane-473667

Tragic and yet not confined to the military. Try an Emergency Room at a County run hospital in any major city. Even worse are the "training" hospitals where interns are practicing on people with little or no oversight. I had one draining fluid from my knee that kept jabbing what felt like the bone. The pain was excrutiating. I have a very high pain tolerance but eventually around the fifth time he did it I finally told him if he hit the bone again I was going to hit him! The look on his face was priceless and no more jabs occured.

  • 7 votes
#9 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT
Stone5150

I had an intern try to stick an IV needle in the back of my hand, after about 10 tries I took it away from him and stuck it myself on the second try only because I jerked back a bit on the first. He looked shocked and asked me if I could teach him how to do that. I was a bit annoyed so I told him "First you get the needle, take it out of the package, bend over, stuff it up your arse and go away. Second you choose a career more suited to you, like garbage man, you'll have better luck hitting bigger targets"

  • 7 votes
#9.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:46 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Reminds me of the time this "nurse" was trying to take blood samples; she kept missing or stabbing through my vein to the point where I got a hugh lump under the skin. She gave up on that arm and went to the other side. I looked at her and asked if she wanted me to do it for her since a "vein almost 3/8's of an inch big is too small a target for you". She left and another nurse came back in, took one look at my arm she messed up, went to the other arm and was done in thirty seconds. She closed the door on the way out but being the curious creature I am I went to it and opened it. She proceeded to tell the other nurse she ought to go down to the morgue and practice some more on people she couldn't kill!

  • 7 votes
#9.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I think my worst IV experiene was 16 attempts from four different people.

  • 5 votes
#9.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Ouch!! Ever notice the inside of your arm never seems to hurt until AFTER you leave a Doctors office?

  • 5 votes
#9.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Yeah. LOL

I think I have become used to all the needles. I have to get an IV every six to eight weeks and be tested for lymphoma about every month to two months. Plus my monthly shots.

  • 6 votes
#9.5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT
eriq samson

my record worst so far was 9 dry holes at a VA emergency room - 3 from the nurse "Technician", 2 from a real RN and 4 more from an MD - he gave up and they just gave me some antibiotics and sent me home - my head so swimming I probably should not have been driving but how else to get there or get home

  • 5 votes
#9.6 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:37 PM EDT
jscusmc69

eriq--got ya beat!! it took 3 tech's at Emory in Atlanta on my left arm 15 tries--and they collapsed several veins and another 9 on the right while prepping me for open heart!

  • 6 votes
#9.7 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:45 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

You have to hate when they drill for "oil" and keep coming up dry. I have had them place the IV in my feet, because they could not get one in my arms or hands.

  • 6 votes
#9.8 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:59 PM EDT
eriq samson

I usually have to tell them if they miss twice my reflex reaction is to punch first and ask questions later. This usually has them call up the ultrasound to see if they can find a vein - and even that is not 100% reliable, I have the scars to prove it

  • 5 votes
#9.9 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:55 AM EDT
jscusmc69

LOL---I know what you mean eriq!

  • 5 votes
#9.10 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:59 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

LOL!

  • 5 votes
#9.11 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:11 AM EDT
Victoriawood

I hear healing.

  • 3 votes
#9.12 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:10 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Just the commonality of some "vampire's" victims. LOL

  • 4 votes
#9.13 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:07 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

at Emory in Atlanta

Doesn't surprise me. That's the same SOB's that blinded me!

  • 4 votes
#9.14 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:00 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Sounds like a company that needs to be put out of business.

  • 4 votes
#9.15 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
jscusmc69

Ya Citizen---- Thats also where I picked up MRSA---Almost did what the Marine Corp and Vietnam didn't---Kill me. 5 surgeries down and at least 2 more to go! Lost ALL abdominal s from that.

If I live long enough I might collect on the LAW suit I have against them!

  • 3 votes
#9.16 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
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sorrelen

Ah Ben I don't know what to say, you are very brave for sharing your story with us and I am sorry you had to endure such suffering.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:38 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you. If nothng else, I hope this story teachs people to standup to their doctors when they need to. I did not know how to handle the situation then and it was very frustrating.

  • 7 votes
#10.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
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DaVoH

The Doctor that treated me since birth, is the only one I trust with my wellness. The others just want checkups

  • 5 votes
Reply#11 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

After this happen, I lost faith in Doctors. Yet, some doctors broght it back. Now, a Docto has to earn my respect and show me that they have my interest at heart.

  • 6 votes
#11.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT
DaVoH

I'm extending a friend request, hopefully you'll accept =}

  • 5 votes
#11.2 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 5:59 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Yes, I will. Thank you.

  • 5 votes
#11.3 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
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Tommy-1025077

Obviously and unfortunately your story is not the lone instance of poor government run health care. The more I hear, the angrer I get about how you were treated (I guess I should say mistreated). If a pet were treated that way in the United States it would become national news and people would be doing jail time. It just makes me feel like I have been punched in the stomach. You sacrificed a certain part of your life so that others might be allowed to live a relatively safe life and then you are treated callously when you are in imminent danger. I have also been sent home to die. Thanks to my wife, a doctor who wouldn't give up and the staff and the administration of a local nursing home (Shady Lake Nursing Home in Lake Providence, LA) I came back from the brink. I like you have difficulty talking about this problem with government run health care, specifically military doctors and the VA hospital system. Your description of those cattle calls sent chills down my spine and make me wonder why we haven't spoken out before about this belittling treatment. It has got to be the training we received. My wife even comments on the treatment she received during her one and only pregnancy which resulted in a miscarrage. People want government health care and I just wonder about why. More of us who have received said care are going to have to tell our stories to let people know if you allow the government into your personal life you are going to get substandard or incompetent care at best. I am sorry if I overfloweth, but damn it I feel my cajun blood coming up.

  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:07 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

One reason I have told this story is because of the national Heath care debate. I have not talked about it in some time, but I hope that this story can help others.

I know I am not the only one to have had problems with military doctors. I really appreciate your comment. Thank you.

  • 5 votes
#12.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:52 PM EDT
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jscusmc69

I just found this and will be back

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Reply#13 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
Stephanie, RN

Sorry that I am just now making it here. I have been so busy. Thank you for sharing. I know this has been difficult.

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Reply#14 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 9:25 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you for stopping by Steph. I appreciate the encouragement you gave me in doing this.

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#14.1 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
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jscusmc69

If government-run health care is all that and a bag of chips, then those in congress who vote for it should have no problem having it as their insurance. Go here to sign a petition by Congressmen John Fleming asking that they do just that: http://www.fleming.house.gov/index.html

  • 5 votes
Reply#15 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 6:42 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Congress, Senators and the President are already exempt from Social Security and have a great plan that pays 100% of their pay.

  • 5 votes
#15.1 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 7:09 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Lt. & Ben

Thanks for the link, I just signed it!

BTW I like the BUFF in the Congressman's page header, very cool those old birds are still racking-up the flight hours.

Have a good'un guys,

Aloha

  • 4 votes
#15.2 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 5:36 AM EDT
Stone5150

The Fleming plan would be more convincing if he hadn't linked it to the idiotic chart they paraded around Faux News for weeks.

The biggest argument is that it puts blocks between you and your doctor. We already have them with HMOs and insurance companies. Sounds like they want to keep the status quo on health care, and status quo is bankrupting, if not killing people. I know, I was one of those that thought they were going to do both for a while. I managed to pull myself out of bankruptcy and obviously I didn't die, but it was a close call for a while.

They keep saying that you can keep your current insurance company if you like them. I haven't heard anyone other than rich people on TV saying they like theirs. I am middle class and I had to fight to stay there and not end up in poverty mostly due to scammer fvcks in the insurance business. I hate my insurance, if this new plan bankrupts them, then great I loan them a barrel to wear, I still have mine that they tried to put me into handy still.

  • 5 votes
#15.3 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 12:35 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thee are major problems with the health care system these days. The biggest is medical cost.

Before I had to take full retirement, I worked as an accountant. I worked for a firm for a while then, I worked for a major laboratory that was partially owned by a major hospital system.

The firm I worked for did the books of several doctors. Each of these doctors were making huge profits after expenses and taxes. Many of their expenses were were quite high as compared to other industries that we did their books and taxes. Medical supplies and equipment must be made of gold and platinum.

Think about it. Behind those supplies, medicines and equipment are salesmen (yes, we did some of their taxes too - most of whom were making better ten $300,00 and had expense accounts that were quite high as well) and behind them are more companies.

In many cases there are companies that buy from manufacturers and sell the products and behind the manufacturer there is more salesmen. All of them doing quite well at making a profit.

Then there are the insurance companies that PARTIALLY pay for the medical care, those supplies, those medications, etc. and they make a profit. Many o them in the billions of dollars.

The other major problem is that there is a lack of competition. Unless it is a high population center, there are limited hospitals, doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals.

Now, please don't get me wrong. I am all for folks making a profit. What I am not for is all the people getting fleeced for that profit.

  • 3 votes
#15.4 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:22 PM EDT
Stone5150

I don't begrudge anyone for making a profit, I know I try to whenever I can, but there is a big difference between making a profit and screwing people over. It is the latter that the medical and insurance people are doing to us all.

  • 4 votes
#15.5 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I agree whole heartedly.

In many cases the prusuit of those profits leads to cutting corners and that leads to poor practices.

  • 3 votes
#15.6 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:59 PM EDT
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cookin mama

That's why they do not want to quit that nice cushy job.

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Reply#16 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 8:48 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Perhaps that is why we should just fire them all. ;0 )

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#16.1 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 9:03 PM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Ya gotta impeach them in order to rescind the lifetime pay.

  • 5 votes
#16.2 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

It would be nice if we could do something short of hanging them.

  • 4 votes
#16.3 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 10:26 PM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Crank style generators and testicles suddenly popped into mind.

  • 5 votes
#16.4 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 10:38 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Oooooo....you're devious. LOL ;0 )

  • 4 votes
#16.5 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 11:07 PM EDT
Stone5150

Can we do the genital electrocution to insurance company peoples too? Please say yes!

  • 4 votes
#16.6 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 12:36 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

uhhhhhh......wouldn't that make me an accomplice?

  • 3 votes
#16.7 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
Stone5150

I wouldn't rat you out, I would tell them Rush Limbaugh told me I could.

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#16.8 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

LOL!

It is good to be able to laugh on this thread. Thanks.

  • 3 votes
#16.9 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 4:01 PM EDT
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Tommy-1025077

waterboarding anyone lol

  • 4 votes
Reply#17 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 10:45 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

LOL! ;0 p

  • 3 votes
#17.1 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 11:05 PM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Tar and feather maybe? Ride them out of town on a rail? Sure kept the local officials of the original settlers of this country much more honest! Make it so they are ridden from one end of town to the other; during rush hour!

  • 4 votes
#17.2 - Sat Aug 1, 2009 11:07 PM EDT
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jscusmc69

I just posted this at Robertlyns article about the fed---

AND your right they won't go quietly----LOOK for SOROS to start playing his money game--HIS attempt to de-value our dollar.

Remember the cell phone thing I mentioned-----

FBI can turn on the mic on your cell phone and eaves drop even with the phone is turned off. Our rights as AMERICANS are being torn away by this corrupt government. WE MUST ALL PROTEST AGAINST SUCH ACTIONS BEFORE WE ALL BECOME SLAVES OF THE RICH WHO ALREADY CONTROL THE U.S. DOLLAR.(see Federal Reserve Bank info)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1fNjK9SXg&feature=related

  • 2 votes
Reply#18 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
jscusmc69

Friday, July 31, 2009

Over the past few months, Rasmussen Reports has conducted many surveys on the topic of health care reform. As July comes to an end and Congress prepares to take a break from Washington, the following reports highlight public attitudes on a variety of health care topics.

Just 47% Favor Congressional Health Care Reform, 49% Oppose

23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress

Only 18% Say Those With Chronic Conditions Should Pay More in Health Insurance

Cost, Not Universal Coverage, is Top Health Care Concern for Voters

50% Oppose Government Health Insurance Company

78% Say Health Care Reform Likely to Mean Higher Taxes for the Middle Class

Massachusetts: 26% Consider State’s Health Care Reform a Success

Americans Evenly Divided Over Urgency of Health Care Reform

Americans Support Universal Health Coverage, But Not If It Covers Illegal Immigrants

Congressional Consensus on Health Care Gets Mixed Reviews from Public

31% Say Healthy Should Be Required to Buy Health Insurance

50% Support More Taxes on Alcohol To Help Fund Universal Health Care

42% Favor Free Health Care For All Americans – Unless Their Own Coverage Has To Change

56% of Uninsured Rate U.S. Health Care System as Poor, 26% Receive Poor Care

32% Would Pay Higher Taxes to Provide Health Insurance for All

35% Rate U.S. Health Care Good or Excellent

70% of Insured Rate Health Insurance Coverage As Good or Excellent

Most Arizona Voters Put Immigration Over Health Care as More Important Reform Goal

  • 1 vote
Reply#19 - Sun Aug 2, 2009 4:10 PM EDT
Freedom Writer-801740

But USAF vet everyone is under the impression that a government ran health plan can do so much better than what we have now, maybe your experience was just a fluke of the system? (That is sarcasm in case you cant tell) I have heard these stories way to often for them to not be true. Really if you think about it the only people really complaining that much about our current system our those with pre-existing conditions that insurance companies dont want to insure because they would be too expensive to treat. But of course there become the biggest problem with our health care system, a for profit system. And it just isnt the insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, pharmaceutical companies all inflate their prices to try to make the biggest profits they can. And here lately even doctors are refusing to bill patients they want their money upfront, and if the insurance company pays more then you have to fight to get your money back, I have had that experience. Granted our system isnt the greatest and it could use some tweaking, but I would rather have the system based upon competition and customer satisfation than one pay by the goverment dictating to us.

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Reply#20 - Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:27 AM EST
USAF Vet-923294

I agree that our system needs tweaking, but I have to be honest with myself and admit that it does scare me that the government has gotten involved.

I also feel that you are right about it being the whole system. Prices of health care off gone off the charts for many reasons. There are many who are getting rich and although I am all for folks taking opportunities and riding that train, I feel that we too many in out current system. There is middlemen for everything from latex gloves to bed pans to medications.

Still, I don't agree with tort reform, unless there is a way to punish bad doctors (really should not be a surprise, considering what I went through), protect those hurt by them and not leave tax payers holding the bag. Tort reform has passed in our state and it hasn't changed medical pricing on anything. If someone is hurt, there is no real recourse for them and the insurance company or the doctor is let off the hook in the aspect of paying.

  • 2 votes
#20.1 - Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:13 AM EST
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