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When Government Health Care Almost Killed me......(part two)

Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:41 AM EDT
health, health-care, usafvet
By USAF Vet-923294
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If you have not read part one, you need to read that first to get the whole picture. Thank you.

You can find Part One here:

http://bad4.newsvine.com/_news/2009/07/28/3082118-when-government-heath-care-almost-killed-mepart-one

After three days of reporting to sick call, I was finally admitted to the hospital under a diagnoses of mono that had been based on a high white count and the fact that I was throwing up. The doctors had already dismissed the bright red blood in my stools and the blood that I had told them was in my vomit.

I arrived on the floor and changed into baby blue pajama. I had already noticed that my normal 30 inch waist was expanded and my pants had felt as if they were cutting me in half. Still, it was mandatory that uniforms be wore to sick call and I did what I could. My gut was already hurt like I was being stabbed with hot knifes at each move that I made. So, I climbed into bed and tried not to move.

The room was sparse. There was no TV and no phone. All I had was my pain and that was a constant that I could only wish to be without.

That night and the next day, the nurses were trying to get me to eat. The sight of the food, much less the smell made me nauseated and sent me to the bathroom to throw up. The nurse also tried to get me to take a shower, but I tried to tell her that I hurt horribly when I moved. She simply left me laying there.

I found myself crying over and over. I had never known such pain and I felt as if no one cared if I lived or died.

That evening a doctor came through to see my room mate. I found myself begging him to do something. All that he could do was to tell me that my doctor should be by soon. My doctor never did come by.

My third day in the hospital and it was Friday. My pajamas no longer fit and I ended up putting on a pair of triple X sized. I was amazed that my stomach had distended from a size 30 (guess a medium) to a XXX-large. The pain was over whelming and I found myself passing out off and on.

That evening a Psychiatrist came by. I openly wept as I answered several asinine question such as, "Do you hate your parents?" and "Do you want to kill yourselves?" I again, I begged for help and was reassured that my doctor would be by. Again, no other doctor came.

By the next day, I knew that I was going die. Yet, I did not want to go without telling my parents good bye and that I loved them. I carefully crawled out of bed and crawled into the hall. I saw a pay phone across the hall and crawled on my hands and knees to the wall. Using the phone cabinet, I pulled myself up and managed to make a collect call.

I cried as I told my mother that I was dying and that I loved her. That was all that I remembered. I passed out.

I woke up and was in my bed with a little nurse standing beside me. She told me to lay still and that she was going to get the doctor on call. I gut was screaming and I could feel the tears streaming down my face.

Just as quickly as she had disappeared, she came back. She was holding the tubing for an NG tube (an NG Tube is a tube that goes up the nose, down the throat and into the stomach. It pumps the stomach.

She tried to place it the first time and missed. I tried to get her to stop as I felt the tip go into my lung. She kept fight me. I finally pushed her away and yanked the tube out. As I gasped for air, I said, "You missed." It sounded weakly and almost like a whisper. I could tell by the horrified look on her face that she knew what I was trying to say.

I held the tube toward her and said said, "Try again." She got it right the second time. Once she turned on the pump, a mixture of dark green, red blood and black liquid started up the tube. The pail that it flushed into was filling quickly and the nurse smiled at me. She excused herself and told me that she would return shortly.

I allowed myself to feel hopeful that something was finally being done.

When the nurse returned, she had several doctors in tow. I later found out that it was the chief of surgery and his team.

Each doctor took turns listening to my gut. Each one pressed on my belly and I felt as if I would scream when they did. The doctors were in and out of my room in a steady stream. Shortly, an x-ray tech showed up with a portable x-ray machine and took a shot of my abdomen.

Shortly after this, the Chief Surgeon told me that my intestines were splitting wide open and had been for some time. I told him what had happened with sick call and he cursed. He called the other doctors a bunch of amateur hacks that had no business practicing medicine.

I was told that I would have to have surgery and I signed all the forms for approval - I did not see that I had any choice. The Anesthesiologist came in and gave me shot. After a while, he came back and asked how I felt. I told him that I still hurt horribly and he left the room. I heard him talking with the other doctors and he came back and gave me another shot.

Again, after a while, he came back and looked at me as if he were amazed. He asked me how I felt and told him that I felt better, but that it still hurt. Again, he left and talked to the other doctors. When he came back, I asked him what was wrong. He told me that he had already given me enough to put an elephant under.

I looked at him and said, "My stomach usually isn't this big." He laughed and the the Chief came in and told him to go ahead and give me another shot, which he did. When he went back to the hallway, I heard him say tell the chief surgeon that the dose could kill me. The response was one that I never will forget. He said, "He probably won't make it through the night. The least we can do is make him comfortable."

From there, my life became murky for the next several days. It almost like a dream and I remember things in bits and pieces.

I remember asking them to call my parents. They were about a three hours drive away. I remember the operating room. I remember waking up in a dark area that had a curtain around it. My Father sitting in one corner with his head in his hands. My mother standing next to my bed praying.

I remember my Father saying something about the way I smelled and something else about fresh meat. I remember the waking up and a hand pushing the side of my face as I felt a feather like touch on my neck.

The next thing I remember was waking up to a loud alarm and my mother and someone else telling me not to fight the machine and that it was breathing for me. I also remember several people coming and going. One told me that their church was praying for me. Another told me that they had an assignment to Alaska and that they had helped in the surgery. I still do not remember most of the faces during that time.

I was out for six days. At one point, I felt someone yank my mustache and I punched them! As I opened my eyes, I saw it was the Colonel who had done the surgery. His nose was bleeding and he had a cone shaped object with tape over it in his hand. He told me not to worry about it and I fell back to sleep.

The worse part (of this episode) was over. Yet, I still had to stay in ICU isolation for a total of 30 days. I had no visitors and no flowers. I felt abandoned, yet I found out, after I was moved to a regular ward, that visitors and flowers were not allowed, because I had been inn isolation.

There was no TV, radio or phone. There were no books, no magazines, puzzles or games. I could not move off my back. I had several tubes in my stomach and a few IV's. One IV was in my neck and another was in my foot.

I did spend my first week awake watching funky things such as pink elephants and eating non-existent steaks. Then they cut back on the amount of Demerol I was receiving. I found out what it was like for a prisoner in solitary. The nurses, the doctors and techs rarely came by. Later, I was told that it was due to the smell.

I figured that one was true. I had not had a bath/shower since the day they had admitted me. My hair was greasy and matted. The medicine smelled horrible and I could barely stand the smell. I got to a point where I was begging for someone to help clean me. Eventually, an Airmen that I worked with had asked a friend that work in the hospital to check on me. The young man took pity on me and got permission to shampoo my hair. I had never been so thankful to someone and he will never know how much it meant just to have your hair washed after three weeks.

I eventually was weighed and was told not to look at the weight. I insisted and was horrified to find that I was 88 lbs. The Nurse tried to console me by telling me that I had gained weight. I had weight around 160 lbs when I had first came into sick call.

I even talked one of the nurse into helping me stand at the sink long enough to shave. I never knew how much the simple things like shampooing your hair, shaving or getting cleaned up could feel like such a blessing.

After a month of this, I was moved to a regular ward and eventually allowed to eat. The doctors were and nurses were shoving almost every type of food you can imagine into me. I brought cookies, cheese cake, pizza, and fast food. As I built my strength up, the doctor had insured that all the nurses and techs knew that I was a special case and they should share as much food as possible with me. I even had a tray coming from the kitchen 6 times a day.

Still, when they finally released me, I weight about 110 lbs. I was put on convalescent leave for 6 months.

I didn't know it at the time, but the trip I started had only begun. I went through more of the same treatment over the years.

PART THREE WILL COVER SOME OF THAT.

Part three maybe found here:

http://bad4.newsvine.com/_news/2009/07/29/3087997-when-government-health-care-almost-killed-mepart-three

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USAF Vet-923294

This is part two of my story. I hope this can help someone.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:43 AM EDT
cookin mama

WTF? How could they be so uncaring as DRs. This must have tore up your parents. I wanted to reach back in time and tell those poor excuses for Drs. in sick call that they needed a new job cleaning out sewers would be more appropriate. I am so sory that you had to go through all of this suffering and sounds like you still do. ♥

((((((((HUGS))))))

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:08 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you Cookin Mama. The story does not end here. This was just the start of many problems that I faced.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT
jscusmc69

Just saw this USAF and HAVE now the first so after I read it I will be back---at this point aftr reading the article---I would say WTF was wrong at sick call OR WHAT @!$%# hole did they get your medics from!

Semper Fi I will be back!!

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:13 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

At one time, there was a rumor going around base about one of the doctor that had operated on me. It was that he had lost his license and had then joined the military where he was given a temporary license from the same state that had taken his license. About a year after that, there was a report on TV that verified that some doctors were doing that.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:21 PM EDT
frostyone

USAF, thank God that a nurse came by. I hate to admit that i've seen things similar to what I've read here but not quite so bad. The doc's that come in the military usually only come in to help payoff school or because they have problems in the civilian world. not all mind you but enough that if the Plan Obama is proposing is anything like it it would be a nightmare. God Bless.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:13 AM EDT
frostyone

cookin mama, regarding your post #1.1

the treatment USAF got a sick call is typical especially if you're seen by a PA. the doc's automaticly assume that you're just a gold-bricker and write you off.

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:16 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thanks for the comment Frostyone. I agree with you about how the doctors react in the military.

However, I do have to admit that I also saw some good doctors in the military. Sometimes it is hard for me to remember that. I guess it is just one of those things where the bad has outweighed the good.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:29 PM EDT
frostyone

yeah i know what ya mean. We've had some good care but we've had and seen alot of bad too.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
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Citizen Kane-473667

I feel your pain Ben but I hate to tell you buddy the medical field is filled with inept and uncaring people. The "cattle calls" from the military have moved into your local physicians office due to the retiring of those who were trying to fullfill their oath but lost the fight to the money changers from the temple. High cost of malpractice insurance and the ambulance chasing lawyers have turned this profession from being noble to being greedy. Once upon a time doctors were paid what the family could afford which usually wasn't much. Now the cost of one "procedure" can cost as much as an upper middle class home in NYC and we know how expensive that is....

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Oh, I realize that the civilian medical care can have its problems too. I also realize that there are advantages and disadvantages to each system.

The biggest difference is that it happened to me. The second difference was that if it had have been in the civilian world, the doctors would have lost their license to practice and I would be a rich a man.

I also can not help but think of the fact that if I had have been in a civilian situation, I could have chosen to go to a different doctor and or a different hospital.

Since that time, I have used civilian doctors for me, my wife and my family (I still use the VA for much of my care - especially the really expensive stuff). So, I have seen both sides of the fence.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

the doctors would have lost their license to practice and I would be a rich a man.

You say this to a man who has a blind spot affecting both eyes which affects 23% of his field of vision? I was assured that I was a prime candidate and although they could not promise no side effects to the surgery on my brain that if everything went right I would walk out with no loss of vision. No lawyer will touch the case and I'm still broke and partially blinded. Whatever any of you do, if at all possible, stay away from any hospital with "Veteran" or "University" in its name!

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:05 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I perfectly understand. I honestly believe that was part of the problem with my care in this situation. The Hospital at the military instillation was a training hospital for new doctors, PA's and nurses entering the military.

Still, I had a lawyer tell me that my case was one of the best malpractice cases he had ever seen. The problem was that military can not sue under the Supreme Court Decision referred to as the Pharis Doctrine.

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
jscusmc69

I will second Citizens POST !!

Emory in Atlanta almost killed me. Caught MRSA from a dirty room---Horror story for another time yours is better because IT is WHILE your in the AF!

note--I have had 5 surgeries to fix the MRSA crap and still have at leas 2 more to go---FROM 2000 till now!

Glad you made it Ben---TO hard to find FLY BOYS to pick on!!LOLOL

  • 4 votes
#2.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:50 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I know that the civilian sector has problems too. Believe it or not, I have had some great care in Government facilities, just as I have bad care. I have also seen bad and good care in the civilian sector.

I just feel that the health care debates should look at all sides of the story and try to come up with the best system.

In my case, the doctors never got anything worse then reprimands and continued to practice. That is a huge flaw in the system. What happened to me was not an accident or an error. It was straight up negligence.

Glad you made it Ben---TO hard to find FLY BOYS to pick on!!LOLOL

ROFL! My oldest Son was a Marine and we pick on each other the same way. LOL

  • 2 votes
#2.5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:39 PM EDT
jscusmc69

All good ben---real glad your here ----Proud to call you a friend!!!

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:42 PM EDT
eriq samson

"In my case, the doctors never got anything worse then reprimands and continued to practice" - trust me, this is practically the same in civilian world; the only difference is -- if you can afford it -- you can sue and make this very public.

We need to have repeat exams for doctors the same as for driver's licenses.

  • 3 votes
#2.7 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:08 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

If it had of been in the civilain world, I would have contacted the State board of Medicine. Probably would have contacted a lawyer.

Not to mention that I would have gone to a different hospital that first day after the doctor played down my problem.

I agree. Repeat exams couldn't hurt and might actually keep some of the bad doctors off the street.

  • 2 votes
#2.8 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:17 AM EDT
eriq samson

1) state board of medicine - did some programming for one of these - they are basically worthless, afraid to do more than just send the doctor a copy, get a response, and file both without even reading them

2) contacted a lawyer - again this costs money and when confronted by rish people's attornies, most malpractice insurance negotiates - this includes that the doctor is never charged with malpractice.

3) IF you had enough money or insurance that covered this; and a big enough city you might go to another hospital. Many lack these possibilities

Would love to see repeat exams done in a way that failures were barred from practicing medicine - have input from random patients too? Issue tickets for bad medicine not rising to "malpractice (see above paragraph 2)?

we need a feedback mechanism; what we have now is like a car with no windows

  • 3 votes
#2.9 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:52 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Many lack these possibilities

That is very true. Rural Americans can be stuck with they have when it is an emergency and in some cases it is thing at all. hey have to go to the nearest city or town mile away. Perhaps part of the Health Care debate in Washington should be how to increase the number of quality Doctors.

this includes that the doctor is never charged with malpractice.

they are basically worthless,

That is a couple of areas that should be a big part of this health care debate. Bad doctors can cost society heavily in other social costs such as Social Security Disability.

we need a feedback mechanism; what we have now is like a car with no windows

And it is missing on some cylinders too.

Although the health care debates are centered around insurance, I feel that the debate should be bigger and cover more issues, such as those you have raised.

  • 3 votes
#2.10 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:25 AM EDT
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sorrelen

I am sorry Ben...

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thanks Sorrelen. I appreciate it.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT
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countrycomfort

I have just read part 1 and 2 together and am sitting at my desk trying to control the anger, sadness, pain, and frustration that the story has brought to me. All I can say to you is a repeat of cookin mama - Hugs!

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:11 AM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you Country Comfort. I will be putting part three later. The story did not end there.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:20 AM EDT
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chelli

Ben, this is truly shocking to read. I'm so sorry that you had to go through that--and the worst part is that you were so alone (I imagine because of risk of infection). Did you ever find out what caused the intestines to begin splitting? Thank God you got a real doctor to take a look at you when he did, and that he was able to help you in this case.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

I will cover that in part three. Although this was the worst part of it, there were other times that the Government Health System did me wrong. I am already working on the part of he story.

When I was moved to a regular floor, I was ready to give up on my friends. My Family had traveled the three hours twice in that time and I knew they could not afford to stay.

Then the second day on a regular ward, I suddenly started having a ton of visitors and the hospital brought me a dozen arrangements of dead plants and flower that had been delivered, but that could not go to me, because I had been isolation. That was when I found out about the isolation. Someone should have told me about it, because it was very depressing to think that I had no true friends.

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:52 PM EDT
chelli

Yes, they should have told you. What agony it must have been thinking that nobody cared.

  • 2 votes
#5.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:28 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

It was hard to spend all of that alone. I understood after I found out, but i the mean time it was very disheartening.

  • 3 votes
#5.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:39 PM EDT
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Perrie

I am speechless....

So many what if's come to mind.

What if you never made that call to your mom? What if that dr. didn't find you? What if they didn't pump your stomach and see the poison in you? What if you didn't make it through all the painkillers? What if you weren't such a fighter?

I can't believe the living hell they put you through. I had that overwhelming wave of wanting to slap the other dr's in the face, especially the shrink.And after surgery the haze of the drugs awful. Just a swirling mass of thoughts and images. What a hell you had to endure. And all because of stupidity.

I know the joy of being clean after being so dirty. How good it feels to have you hair clean for the first time in weeks. Ironically, I punched a nurse in the eye while inter-bated. She was not that nice about it.

Ben, this story just keeps getting worse. I applaud the fact that you are writing about it. I hope that it is good for you. I hope that this was not a box that should have stayed closed. You don't have to finish, if you feel that it is not good for you. On the other hand, if getting it out, empties the box, then please finish. But it is your call.

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you Perrie. It is difficult to write about. When I think about it, it makes me angry and it usually makes me break down in tears. I have told the story before, but I have never put it all together in one place or covered it in detail past the first few days.

What if hits me all the time. Yet, I tend to wonder what if they had have done it right?

This incident lead to several surgeries and to other problems. It is hard to imagine the simplicity of what if it had been taken care of when I first went in. I guess I will nevr know. I am thankful that I was not killed.

  • 4 votes
#6.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
Perrie

From the sounds of things I would say that your mother's prayers were answered, since it sounds like you shouldn't have made it.

Oh please do drop by my new article, evne just to say hi. I'm falling asleep!

  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

My mother told me that as she stood next to my bed, after my first surgery and before they took me back in, she would say a silent prayer and I would answer by saying, "Don't worry Mom, the bastards couldn't kill me."

I don't know, I always found that one to be funny.

  • 5 votes
#6.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:57 PM EDT
Perrie

I think that's why your alive today! You just weren't going to let those bastards get you!

  • 3 votes
#6.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:13 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

In a surgery in Jan '87 after they gave me the happy juice I was told that I gave the doctors a whole diatribe about bad doctors and how bad doctors suck.

I was told the surgeon laughed all the way to the OR, but afterward told my wife and mothe that he understood my bad feelings, because I was all "messed up inside."

  • 2 votes
#6.5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:45 PM EDT
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rottlady

I have read both articles so far and am truely shocked by the treatment, no that's wrong. I am shocked by the cruelty you have suffered here. My heart goes out to you.

I echo the ((((((Hugs)))))) given above.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thank you Rott Lady. It is hard to face what happened. I usually try not to think about it, but I felt that I might be able to help someone if they read my story.

  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
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Tex-988483

I am truly sorry you had to go through this nightmare.

I went through the private system with no insurance and little money. That was, and in some ways still is, a nightmare. The arrogance, ineptitude and genuine lack of concern was appalling. They literally almost killed me. I would have been better off had I walked away prior to care and just lived with my injury. Believe me, I have sewn myself back together a couple of times due to cost consideration and its affect on family. This time I could not.

My point of view is in the minority but I support a totally socialized med system and I'd just as soon have the insurers find something better to do that is not a scam.....

best to you and yours....

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:07 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Actually, I have also experienced the civilian sector's health care. The cost are outragous and I fully understand the implications.

Thank you for your comment.

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Ben,

Man-o-man the hits keep coming, you are one tough hombry Brother!

BTW: I thought you were a member of my Warrior's Way group, well that is corrected as of now - membership request OTW! Lt. JSC in clipping pt. I, and I will clip pt. II, after you accept (?) membership please add pt. III. Personal stories of our military experiences are important to share my friend, and that was one of my goals with starting the W.W. group.

Have a good'un,

Aloha

  • 3 votes
#8.2 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:03 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Hey Tex,

How you be old son?

I am reminded by the current H.C. talk, of the old west Barber/Dentist or town G.P. Doctor getting run-out of town on a rail, if the level of care was substandard.

Personally I'm looking to non-tradional/native forms of healthcare, it's not rocket science really.

Stop by my column some time, I posted an article your Most Excellent Daughter may enjoy about Women in Combat (Girl power!), and also just put up a review of The Hurt Locker.

You are always welcome in my camp Budro.

Have a great day,

Aloha

  • 3 votes
#8.3 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:15 PM EDT
Tex-988483

robertlyn:

Howdy! Dang, bro, where you been? I've missed your cantankerous self around here. Thanks for the heads up. I'll head on over after I eat me a serious white trash supper and read your article. Hey, I've got a folder of jpgs devoted to wimmen warriors.

Yeah, I know what you mean about runnin the Doktors outa town. I'm glad I simmered down and got over it. My initial reaction was to head down to the arrogant shyte that screwed me up with a slick and a deadblow. Leave one of his fingers on the table. Poetic justice and all. Realized that was probably a bad idea and walked away.

Hey, my brother called me the cowboy without a trigger finger for awhile. Managed to get control again after much self induced physical therapy. Its still a pretty wimpy finger though.

Good to see you round again. Likewise podna. You and yorn ever in my neck o the woods you got a place to hang.

best

  • 3 votes
#8.4 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Well I went on a brief road trip up Nor. Cal. way a few weeks ago, and ever since have been working on organizing my mess of crap. I am prepping for a return to Ebay as soon as I figure out what to sell of mine. Still no wage-slave job, but I stopped appling a week before the trip and truthfully have not started looking since my return.

Look forward to your visit, whenever. :^)

Aloha

  • 3 votes
#8.5 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:11 PM EDT
Tex-988483

Glad you got a road trip in. I'm in about the same boat. Or sinking ship. No real steady livable wage slavery as of yet. I talked to some pards out in Austin a month or so ago. Said there was work there. I don't know. I'd have to sell all my useless crap to even consider a move. May come down to that though. Main thing is I don't want to leave my daughter here. Times are questionable and I want to at least be able to pick off the first few rows of the army of zombies so she can skeedaddle if it comes to that. Gave her the old Mossberg though so she isw not without a little persuasion.

Man, I wish you the best. One of these days you may just see me smokin up in a beat up old Landcrusher with a big ol droolin dawg sittin by me...

best my man.....

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#8.6 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:17 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Thanks Rob. I will accept the invitation.

  • 4 votes
#8.7 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:59 PM EDT
robertlyn-schultz

Tizz my pleasure and honor Brother! :^)

  • 3 votes
#8.8 - Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:51 PM EDT
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judi fermanich

I was a military wife and the extent of hospitalization was having babies. Overall they were good to me. The only incident occurred when I swore at the oncoming baby and a Lt. nurse told me not to swear at the baby but at the father.

I told her that if the father was giving me so much pain I would swear at him but it was the @#%& baby and she should, 'you know what'. I was told that I could lose my privileges at base hospital for yelling at the Lt. Thankfully, I did not care and maintained my belligerent attitude. That helped me through the labor and I did have a wonderful baby boy.

I can see and remember how the attitudes toward the airmen was so different. They were cattle, expendable and replaceable. Many physicians in the military could not make it as civilians and that explains their officer status in the military.

It might help if only the top 50% of physicians were actually licensed to practice medicine. Once they get out of school, if they fared poorly and got in by the skin of their teeth or if they did not pass a psychological exam they simply could not get the license. That might improve the overall care. The costs would go up though as they would have to see more patients. Supply and demand, you know.

The balance of the "doctors" could be physician assistants or maybe they could go to classes and become nurses. Again, there has to be some degree of balance. Why do some people go into school to be doctors when they clearly are not qualified to complete the agenda?

USAF, unfortunately, you became a Guinea pig for many of the poorly trained, and poorly qualified people the military has accepted into the branches of military operations. I am so sorry for your pain, both physical and mental. God bless you, my friend.

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Reply#9 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
jscusmc69

Great comment Judi

they were cattle, expendable and replaceable. Many physicians in the military could not make it as civilians and that explains their officer status in the military.

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#9.1 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:45 PM EDT
USAF Vet-923294

Yes, great comment. Thank you.

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#9.2 - Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
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